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09-29-2008, 03:09 PM
How to Setup your Dish500 Dpp/Superdish Dp with a HD Receiver
Set-up Dish500 Dish-pro Plus for HD.
If you are going to buy a HD Receiver you must remember to buy a HD Dish to receive the signal also, and at this time a Super Dish from Dish-net is the only company that has these dish’s out openly on the market. Remember it must say’ HD SuperDish-Dpp on the dish for it to be a real HD Dish.
With a SuperDish HD you will be able to receive programming in High Def on 129.0w, and 110.0w and 119.0w, this type of Dpp does not have a setup to Trunk to a port on the LNBF itself. So if you need to receive 91.0w , and 82.0w you will need another dish500 Dpp dual to trunk from. These configuration will allow for (5 birds setup to 2 receivers) using the dish-pro plus LNBFs.
Example:
1) 1st Dish500 Dish-pro plus setup to 91.0w,and 82.0w the LNBF will have a port 1, and port 2 on the LNB then a third port labled (in) for the (trunk) cable. These trunk-ing will allow you to use the internal switch built in the LNBs so you’ll only have to use a Switch Dp34 for this setup.
Note: (No other Switch will be needed)
2) If your going to add a (single LNBF dish to this configuration) you will need to run the cable thur your 1st dish500 Dp (in) or truck of the LNBF of the dish you have setup for 91,and 82 this will allow you to only use 2 RG 6 cables (out) to the DP34 switch, Port A, and Port B. This configuration will allow you to setup 61.5w, 82.0w, 91.0w thur (1) dish500 Dpp to your Dp 34 switch.(Remember you may not use a (twin) LNB for this type of setup).
3)HD SuperDish will allow setup for 129.0w in high def, and also 110.0w, and 119.0w in full High Def. Please remember this LNBF does not have a (in) truck contact on the LNB, so setup this Dish though your Dp34 switch on port C or opposite side (right hand side of Dp34 switch) for 129, and port D of your switch for 110.0w, and 119.0w. (rememeber your Dp34 might be a after market, so it might not say ports A,B, or C,D. It might have ports 1,2 or 3,4 from left side to right side. (Please remember your LNBFs on 129.0w will need to run on 2250 mhz, unlike the dish500 with can run under 2000 mhz.
4)This Dp 34 Switch is made for this type of dish setup, where a FTA Receiver is used instead of a of any Dishnet units. The superdish has a IR/RF tranmitter built for true HD switching,the Dp 34 switch that will run on your FTA ‘s power supply on 13v,and 18volts.(This switch does work with Viewsat new HD Receivers, as well as other receivers on the market).
5)Power Supply the Dp34 switch will run on any FTA receiver’s power supply, just make sure you setup your RG 6 cable thur the correct ports on the switch, to power your switch in true HD.
6)Wiring, from your dish pro plus500,both 91,and 82.to RG6 Cables to port A and B on switch DP34 (leftside).
7)Remember a your dish1000 is not a HD dish, 119,and 110 to ports 1,2 thur RG6 cables to your (right side) of switch Dp34, ports 3,4 @ 2,000 mhz., from your single Dp or 129.0w to (right side) port 2250 mhz (in) on switch Dp34.
5-RG6 cable's into switch Dp34 to single RG6 cable out, to port (A) to receiver 1, and (B) for receiver 2. On this switch you can setup as many as 5receivers.
Antenna Setup: for HD FTA Receiver
91.0w=
Osc-Dp 12253
Commit 1 < or A,B Port
sw21=port 1<might need to try sw64 also
82.0w=
Osc-Dp 12253
Commit 2 < or A,B Port
sw21=port 1 <might need to try sw64 also
105.0w=
Osc-Dp 12238
Commit 1
sw21= port 1<might need to try sw64 also
110.0w=
Oscdp 12224
Commit 2 < or A,B Port
sw21= port 2 <might need to try sw64 also
119.0w=
Osc-Dp 12239
Commit 1 < or A,B port
sw21= port2 <might need to try sw64 also
121.0w=
Osc-Dp 12224
Commit 2
sw21= none
129.0w=
Osc-Dp 12370
Commit 1 or 2
sw21 <none
You might need to try sw64 settings on this type of switch, because a Dp 64 switch was made by Dishnet just for the installation of HD quality switching, you can use the same setup as for a Dp 34 switch.
(Remember both switches will not work with the twin LNB or LNBF, they are made for Dp and Dpp model LNBFs).
Same switch but input and out both meets 2250 MHz, remember the Dp64 will need a separate power supply of 12 volts, and is not compatible with FTA Receivers in today’s N/A market.
In Addition:I added a Q and A...
Question?....
Why wont the dish 1000 work for HD ??
Thats what they are for 110,119,129 came w/ dpplus with built in diseqc and 129 connects into the same head.....
Answer.....
No,not completely,the dish1000 is not a High Definition Dish,the Superdish is a true HD Dish,the only one on the market as far as I know.
The configuration is different inside,the FSS feed horn is calibrated to modulate the signal in 8-VSB format,the standard for HD programming in the N/A market.This Superdish does not have a DiESqC switch included inside the head,it has a IR Tranmitter to blast the commands to your ATSC receiver,then onto the HDTV.This dish reduces the noise induction to the rate of .028 to 0.03dbs,rain fade is not a problem,making this dish a supperior dish in everyway.
Echo's high-end receivers (like the 5000 model) have a parallel expansion port that outputs the entire transport stream decoded from the QPSK carrier (which came from the satellite) but with the currently tuned program unencrypted. This parallel transport stream is then stripped of everything but the active program and then regenerated as a 8VSB signal moduled onto an RF carrier which is then tuned by the VSB tuner in the TV.
The Superdish does receive's this signal then makes an ATSC MPEG-2 Transport Stream from a DVB-S MPEG-2 Transport Stream. This is done with a ASIC (Application Specific IC) in the ATSC adapter - it generates the ATSC-SI tables allowing reception by an ATSC TV device which of course uses different Systems Information than the DVB-S signal coming from the satellite. The ASIC is also the hardware that's responsible for removing the PIDs that aren't used and stuffing NULL PIDs to keep the resulting 19.6Mbps data rate that the ATSC system uses.
So a different feq,2250 Mhz not standard in the dish1000 and does not included this modulator,the dish itself range is only 950 Mhz-2150 mhz.The SuperDish has a IR transmitter inside the head,and a built in modulator that will receive full elummination of the HD programming in 105.0w 121.0w,129.0w,119.0w,110.ow,all (3) of the feeds run thur this cone to produce the picture quality in HD,making it the only dish out to receive true HD.
Notes:
So far the spec sheet is not leased to open publication,the problem with these dishes where the 33" models need more support on the arm,they tend to break off at the dish-arm,the un-modified version came out in late 1999,and the latest model was released in 2004,which I have both,the difference's are not much,but dish size rose to (36"x28") with extra support.
Looking at the dish it will say"(Superdish Network) on the DISH itself,and (HDTV) on the front cover,with the seperated (Dp) single LNBF to the right hand side
WARNING: If you try and buy a LNBF in HD or a Dish with true HD,do not be fooled by what you read on e-bay.No (HD DTV dish) will work with FTA HD Receivers,nor are there any LNB's or LNBF's that receive HD for sale on Flea-Bay.
It has to say" (HDTV) on the front of the LNBF cover before the Superdish has a built in modulator and a IR/RF transmitter intreface inside,So BUYER beware.
Question?
Can I still use a Dish1000 to receive HD programming?
Answer,
Yes,with the right equipment installed it is still possible to receive HD programming on a standard Dish500 DPro Plus,and a Dish1000 Dpp Dish.You would need to install a HD turner (Modulator that will receive tranmissions in the IR commands to receive ATSC format),sence all North American programming in HD uses 8VSB.These Modulators can be after market,sence dishnet owns all the equipment for modifing your system after you up-grade to HDTV programming.
Please look at the photos I have provided for additional info.Here is a top view of the modulator,The Accessory connector is used with an IR transmitter to blast the commands to your ATSC TV.
Inside the modulator. The chip at the top center is the 8VSB modulator, the Altera part is a custom gate array and the chip at the bottom labelled X100 is a Flash memory - I assume it contains the extra code for the receiver to operate the modulator.
Note:
Remember there are three different type of this dish on the market now.
SD105.0w,SD121.0w,and SD129.0w,this are not labeled in anyway other then the IR transmitter,and Modulator configuration and tag no.#...
The whole unit wieght is around 48lbs
Written by: Odd Thomas
Here are all the HD Birds in order from Lyngsat USA
US/CA Birds
61.5°W Echo 3-060710
61.5.W Rainbow 1-060707
82.0°W Nimiq 2-061109
87.0°W AMC 3-060723
91.0°W Galaxy 11-060424
99.2°W Spaceway 2-061210
101.0°W DTV 1R/4S/8-050807
102.8°W Spaceway 1-061210
110.0°W DTV 5-060217
110.0W Echo 8-051030
111.1°W Anik F2-061013
119.0°W DTV 7S-060217
121.0°W Echo 9/Intelsat Americas 13-050120123.0°W Galaxy 10R-050404
125.0°W Galaxy 14-060726
127.0°W Galaxy 13/Horizons 1-060306
129.0°W Echo 5-060622
131.0°W AMC 11-061207
133.0°W Galaxy 15-060907
135.0°W AMC 10-060410
148.0°W Echo 1-040520
Set-up Dish500 Dish-pro Plus for HD.
If you are going to buy a HD Receiver you must remember to buy a HD Dish to receive the signal also, and at this time a Super Dish from Dish-net is the only company that has these dish’s out openly on the market. Remember it must say’ HD SuperDish-Dpp on the dish for it to be a real HD Dish.
With a SuperDish HD you will be able to receive programming in High Def on 129.0w, and 110.0w and 119.0w, this type of Dpp does not have a setup to Trunk to a port on the LNBF itself. So if you need to receive 91.0w , and 82.0w you will need another dish500 Dpp dual to trunk from. These configuration will allow for (5 birds setup to 2 receivers) using the dish-pro plus LNBFs.
Example:
1) 1st Dish500 Dish-pro plus setup to 91.0w,and 82.0w the LNBF will have a port 1, and port 2 on the LNB then a third port labled (in) for the (trunk) cable. These trunk-ing will allow you to use the internal switch built in the LNBs so you’ll only have to use a Switch Dp34 for this setup.
Note: (No other Switch will be needed)
2) If your going to add a (single LNBF dish to this configuration) you will need to run the cable thur your 1st dish500 Dp (in) or truck of the LNBF of the dish you have setup for 91,and 82 this will allow you to only use 2 RG 6 cables (out) to the DP34 switch, Port A, and Port B. This configuration will allow you to setup 61.5w, 82.0w, 91.0w thur (1) dish500 Dpp to your Dp 34 switch.(Remember you may not use a (twin) LNB for this type of setup).
3)HD SuperDish will allow setup for 129.0w in high def, and also 110.0w, and 119.0w in full High Def. Please remember this LNBF does not have a (in) truck contact on the LNB, so setup this Dish though your Dp34 switch on port C or opposite side (right hand side of Dp34 switch) for 129, and port D of your switch for 110.0w, and 119.0w. (rememeber your Dp34 might be a after market, so it might not say ports A,B, or C,D. It might have ports 1,2 or 3,4 from left side to right side. (Please remember your LNBFs on 129.0w will need to run on 2250 mhz, unlike the dish500 with can run under 2000 mhz.
4)This Dp 34 Switch is made for this type of dish setup, where a FTA Receiver is used instead of a of any Dishnet units. The superdish has a IR/RF tranmitter built for true HD switching,the Dp 34 switch that will run on your FTA ‘s power supply on 13v,and 18volts.(This switch does work with Viewsat new HD Receivers, as well as other receivers on the market).
5)Power Supply the Dp34 switch will run on any FTA receiver’s power supply, just make sure you setup your RG 6 cable thur the correct ports on the switch, to power your switch in true HD.
6)Wiring, from your dish pro plus500,both 91,and 82.to RG6 Cables to port A and B on switch DP34 (leftside).
7)Remember a your dish1000 is not a HD dish, 119,and 110 to ports 1,2 thur RG6 cables to your (right side) of switch Dp34, ports 3,4 @ 2,000 mhz., from your single Dp or 129.0w to (right side) port 2250 mhz (in) on switch Dp34.
5-RG6 cable's into switch Dp34 to single RG6 cable out, to port (A) to receiver 1, and (B) for receiver 2. On this switch you can setup as many as 5receivers.
Antenna Setup: for HD FTA Receiver
91.0w=
Osc-Dp 12253
Commit 1 < or A,B Port
sw21=port 1<might need to try sw64 also
82.0w=
Osc-Dp 12253
Commit 2 < or A,B Port
sw21=port 1 <might need to try sw64 also
105.0w=
Osc-Dp 12238
Commit 1
sw21= port 1<might need to try sw64 also
110.0w=
Oscdp 12224
Commit 2 < or A,B Port
sw21= port 2 <might need to try sw64 also
119.0w=
Osc-Dp 12239
Commit 1 < or A,B port
sw21= port2 <might need to try sw64 also
121.0w=
Osc-Dp 12224
Commit 2
sw21= none
129.0w=
Osc-Dp 12370
Commit 1 or 2
sw21 <none
You might need to try sw64 settings on this type of switch, because a Dp 64 switch was made by Dishnet just for the installation of HD quality switching, you can use the same setup as for a Dp 34 switch.
(Remember both switches will not work with the twin LNB or LNBF, they are made for Dp and Dpp model LNBFs).
Same switch but input and out both meets 2250 MHz, remember the Dp64 will need a separate power supply of 12 volts, and is not compatible with FTA Receivers in today’s N/A market.
In Addition:I added a Q and A...
Question?....
Why wont the dish 1000 work for HD ??
Thats what they are for 110,119,129 came w/ dpplus with built in diseqc and 129 connects into the same head.....
Answer.....
No,not completely,the dish1000 is not a High Definition Dish,the Superdish is a true HD Dish,the only one on the market as far as I know.
The configuration is different inside,the FSS feed horn is calibrated to modulate the signal in 8-VSB format,the standard for HD programming in the N/A market.This Superdish does not have a DiESqC switch included inside the head,it has a IR Tranmitter to blast the commands to your ATSC receiver,then onto the HDTV.This dish reduces the noise induction to the rate of .028 to 0.03dbs,rain fade is not a problem,making this dish a supperior dish in everyway.
Echo's high-end receivers (like the 5000 model) have a parallel expansion port that outputs the entire transport stream decoded from the QPSK carrier (which came from the satellite) but with the currently tuned program unencrypted. This parallel transport stream is then stripped of everything but the active program and then regenerated as a 8VSB signal moduled onto an RF carrier which is then tuned by the VSB tuner in the TV.
The Superdish does receive's this signal then makes an ATSC MPEG-2 Transport Stream from a DVB-S MPEG-2 Transport Stream. This is done with a ASIC (Application Specific IC) in the ATSC adapter - it generates the ATSC-SI tables allowing reception by an ATSC TV device which of course uses different Systems Information than the DVB-S signal coming from the satellite. The ASIC is also the hardware that's responsible for removing the PIDs that aren't used and stuffing NULL PIDs to keep the resulting 19.6Mbps data rate that the ATSC system uses.
So a different feq,2250 Mhz not standard in the dish1000 and does not included this modulator,the dish itself range is only 950 Mhz-2150 mhz.The SuperDish has a IR transmitter inside the head,and a built in modulator that will receive full elummination of the HD programming in 105.0w 121.0w,129.0w,119.0w,110.ow,all (3) of the feeds run thur this cone to produce the picture quality in HD,making it the only dish out to receive true HD.
Notes:
So far the spec sheet is not leased to open publication,the problem with these dishes where the 33" models need more support on the arm,they tend to break off at the dish-arm,the un-modified version came out in late 1999,and the latest model was released in 2004,which I have both,the difference's are not much,but dish size rose to (36"x28") with extra support.
Looking at the dish it will say"(Superdish Network) on the DISH itself,and (HDTV) on the front cover,with the seperated (Dp) single LNBF to the right hand side
WARNING: If you try and buy a LNBF in HD or a Dish with true HD,do not be fooled by what you read on e-bay.No (HD DTV dish) will work with FTA HD Receivers,nor are there any LNB's or LNBF's that receive HD for sale on Flea-Bay.
It has to say" (HDTV) on the front of the LNBF cover before the Superdish has a built in modulator and a IR/RF transmitter intreface inside,So BUYER beware.
Question?
Can I still use a Dish1000 to receive HD programming?
Answer,
Yes,with the right equipment installed it is still possible to receive HD programming on a standard Dish500 DPro Plus,and a Dish1000 Dpp Dish.You would need to install a HD turner (Modulator that will receive tranmissions in the IR commands to receive ATSC format),sence all North American programming in HD uses 8VSB.These Modulators can be after market,sence dishnet owns all the equipment for modifing your system after you up-grade to HDTV programming.
Please look at the photos I have provided for additional info.Here is a top view of the modulator,The Accessory connector is used with an IR transmitter to blast the commands to your ATSC TV.
Inside the modulator. The chip at the top center is the 8VSB modulator, the Altera part is a custom gate array and the chip at the bottom labelled X100 is a Flash memory - I assume it contains the extra code for the receiver to operate the modulator.
Note:
Remember there are three different type of this dish on the market now.
SD105.0w,SD121.0w,and SD129.0w,this are not labeled in anyway other then the IR transmitter,and Modulator configuration and tag no.#...
The whole unit wieght is around 48lbs
Written by: Odd Thomas
Here are all the HD Birds in order from Lyngsat USA
US/CA Birds
61.5°W Echo 3-060710
61.5.W Rainbow 1-060707
82.0°W Nimiq 2-061109
87.0°W AMC 3-060723
91.0°W Galaxy 11-060424
99.2°W Spaceway 2-061210
101.0°W DTV 1R/4S/8-050807
102.8°W Spaceway 1-061210
110.0°W DTV 5-060217
110.0W Echo 8-051030
111.1°W Anik F2-061013
119.0°W DTV 7S-060217
121.0°W Echo 9/Intelsat Americas 13-050120123.0°W Galaxy 10R-050404
125.0°W Galaxy 14-060726
127.0°W Galaxy 13/Horizons 1-060306
129.0°W Echo 5-060622
131.0°W AMC 11-061207
133.0°W Galaxy 15-060907
135.0°W AMC 10-060410
148.0°W Echo 1-040520