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Fallen Angel
10-01-2008, 09:59 PM
Court Protects Privacy of Satellite Receiver Owners

Legal Analysis by Fred von Lohmann

Last month, EFF filed an amicus brief in Echostar v. Freetech, where Echostar sought the identities of every consumer who purchased a Freetech "CoolSat" free-to-air (FTA) satellite receiver during the past five years. EFF argued that this demand, issued in discovery in a lawsuit between Echostar and Freetech, represented an unwarranted intrusion into the privacy of individual consumers. Today, the court agreed, issuing an order blocking Echostar's subpoenas.

The ruling potentially sets an important precedent, as it represents the first time a federal court has explicitly rejected a third-party subpoena on the basis of the privacy interests of nonparty consumers.
Echostar is the company behind the DISH satellite TV service. Freetech makes receivers for unencrypted, free-to-air satellite transmissions (there are many free, unencrypted satellite channels). In December 2007, Echostar sued Freetech, alleging that the Freetech CoolSat receiver was specifically designed for after-market modification to enable unauthorized reception of DISH programming. According to Echostar, Freetech "sold thousands of these FTA Receivers to consumer pirates for the sole purpose of circumventing [Echostar]'s Security System."

In the course of discovery, Echostar sent subpoenas to the distributors of CoolSat receivers, demanding that they hand over their customer lists, including the name, address, email address, and purchase details for every person to have purchased a CoolSat receiver over the past 5 years.

As EFF explained in its amicus brief, these subpoenas represent a serious intrusion into the privacy of legitimate purchasers of these FTA receivers. Not only would it be an intrusion to be contacted by Echostar about a device you purchased months or years ago, but other satellite TV companies have used customer lists to launch mass litigation campaigns against consumers. After DirecTV obtained similar customer lists in litigation in 2001, it sent more than 170,000 letters to individuals demanding "settlements" of $3,500.

In refusing to allow Echostar to obtain the CoolSat customer lists, the court specifically weighed Echostar's need for the information against the privacy interests of the customers whose information would be disclosed. The court expressed concern that "both those who purchase the FTA receivers for proper and improper purposes will be swept up in the process." The court went on to conclude that "the requests for customer lists, therefore, could lead to the perceived harassment of legitimate users and a concomitant chilling effect on the purchase and lawful use of Freetech's FTA receivers."

Kudos to the court for keeping the privacy interests of nonparties in mind as commercial litigants dispatch third-party subpoenas that would otherwise carelessly intrude into the lives of individual consumers.

HotDogTLW
10-01-2008, 10:23 PM
:beer:Finally, some good news for a change!!

Fallen Angel
10-01-2008, 10:27 PM
:beer:Finally, some good news for a change!!

I figured you'd like that...:drunk:

freedom2
10-01-2008, 10:39 PM
Everybody needs to understand though, when Echostar originally filed the FTA lawsuits, they requested a list of all who purchased receivers from the manufacturers. It was as a result of this ruling mentioned here that they filed the motion for the manufacturers saving the original TSOPs from receivers returned for repairs. This ruling does not affect those orders, the three manufacturers do still have to hold and turn over upon request the TSOPs, along with the names and addresses of who sent them in (I assume only if traces of pirate software is found on the TSOP). Do NOT send in your receiver for repair at this time, unless you want to risk a loss of revenue lawsuit from Dish Network!

Fallen Angel
10-01-2008, 10:54 PM
Everybody needs to understand though, when Echostar originally filed the FTA lawsuits, they requested a list of all who purchased receivers from the manufacturers. It was as a result of this ruling mentioned here that they filed the motion for the manufacturers saving the original TSOPs from receivers returned for repairs. This ruling does not affect those orders, the three manufacturers do still have to hold and turn over upon request the TSOPs, along with the names and addresses of who sent them in (I assume only if traces of pirate software is found on the TSOP). Do NOT send in your receiver for repair at this time, unless you want to risk a loss of revenue lawsuit from Dish Network!

Excellent point...It would be MUCH cheaper, to eat the price of your receiver, and just find someone locally who fixes electronics, or if it can't be repaired, just throw it away and buy a new receiver...Better to lose the $$ you have to pay for a new receiver, than a few thousand dollars to Echostar....(Not including attorney fees..from BOTH sides of the bench!!)

safwat2351040
11-08-2008, 02:12 AM
Get better and better dosnt it

Tonglam
11-09-2008, 11:00 PM
If I know how to fixed and get pic I don't car to watch it I wish I know how to do it. for as long they don't brodcast behind my yard if they don't want me to use it if they do it I use it.:shit:

Hungryghost2010
11-24-2008, 05:08 AM
Yup what that last guy said :p

Seriously,Thanks for info :taz:

1976mic
11-25-2008, 10:34 AM
I recommend that we do not use D***N****** or B***E****** these words. Let's use DN or BEV instead. Thanks!

Hydr0p0niCz
11-25-2008, 02:59 PM
too many loop holes regarding fta.. not like dtv where the sole purpose was to rip off dtv and useless for anything else... end users shouldn't be concerned by any means with any fta unit.. including iks fta units... :beer:

neo_waxworks
11-27-2008, 11:37 AM
too many loop holes regarding fta.. not like dtv where the sole purpose was to rip off dtv and useless for anything else... end users shouldn't be concerned by any means with any fta unit.. including iks fta units... :beer:

BZZZZTTT..wrong answer... like Dtv, Iks has NO other purpose...
you can preach it is safe all you want, but the facts bare different.. IKS has ZERO purpose other than pirating and therefore is a HUGE target and one courts can easily say yes, you are a criminal

Hydr0p0niCz
11-27-2008, 05:53 PM
BZZZZTTT..wrong answer... like Dtv, Iks has NO other purpose...
you can preach it is safe all you want, but the facts bare different.. IKS has ZERO purpose other than pirating and therefore is a HUGE target and one courts can easily say yes, you are a criminal

man give it up.. you are not going to get busted using an nfusion..

read the news.. like i said.. dtv letters were scare tactics.. nothing happened with those letters..

freedom2
11-28-2008, 08:42 AM
read the news.. like i said.. dtv letters were scare tactics.. nothing happened with those letters..

Hmmm, maybe you should try telling that to those who ignored them and received default judgments against them........

tuyen
12-01-2008, 01:10 AM
man give it up.. you are not going to get busted using an nfusion..

read the news.. like i said.. dtv letters were scare tactics.. nothing happened with those letters..

what are you? Something like 14?
get some perspective on history.
Dave's extortion campaign wasn't just a "scare tactic".
it was a very real nightmare for many thousands of people across the U.S.
if you received a letter, you had three options
1) try to fight it in court, which would most likely cost far more than $3500
2) hand over the $3500 to dave and hope they don't try to come back to extort more from you in some future lawsuit
3) ignore the letter and thereby get an automatic default judgement against you by the court

Anybody who received the letter was immediately in a no-win situation.
a VERY few number of people actually stood up and fought dave, and they actually won. But many thousands just handed over their money and basically admitted their guilt, even if they were completely innocent.

neo_waxworks was completely correct.
unlike an FTA receiver, IKS has absolutely no other purpose except to give you access to charlie's signal without paying for it.
so you better believe that if an IKS server ever gets busted and confiscated, people WILL be on the shit list, and it WILL end up costing them money, and possibly other legal problems.