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Fallen Angel
02-25-2009, 05:52 PM
Canadian judge: No warrant needed to see ISP logs

A Superior Court in Ontario, Canada has ruled that IP addresses are akin to your home address, and therefore people have no expectation of privacy when it comes to their online activities being accessed by law enforcement. This means that, in Canada, police can potentially request information from your ISP about online activities, and can do so without a warrant.

By Jacqui Cheng | Last updated February 13, 2009 12:37

Your activities on the Internet are akin to your activities out in public—they're not private and are possibly open for police scrutiny, according to an Ontario Superior Court. The ruling was made by Justice Lynne Leitch on—surprise!—a child pornography case. The judge said that there's "no reasonable expectation of privacy" when it comes to logs kept by ISPs. Canadians, watch out, because everything you do online could soon be turned into legal fodder, even without a warrant.

The case in question came about when, in 2007, police asked **** Canada to hand over subscriber information for a particular IP address that they suspected of accessing and "making available" child porn online. According to the National Post, the ISP handed over the name and contact information for the account without asking for a warrant, which is apparently typical among ISPs in Canada only if the request is related to a child porn investigation.

The lawyer for the defendant—the defendant being the husband of the woman whose name was on the account—disagreed with **** Canada's actions. He argued that since there were no accusations of luring a child or putting a minor in danger, a warrant should have been required. This argument was rejected by Judge Leitch, however, who equated the information to data that the state already has.

"One's name and address or the name and address of your spouse are not biographical information one expects would be kept private from the state," she wrote. She also stated that Canada's Personal Information Protection Electronics Documents Act allows for ISPs to give IP information to a "lawful authority," which she interpreted as not requiring a warrant.

Though it's clear that the ruling in the case (which is still ongoing) was made with good intentions, privacy advocates know what the road to hell is paved with. Critics fear that such a precedent could open the doors to police asking for information on all manner of Internet activities, ranging from the embarrassing to the questionable-but-legal, without judicial oversight.

One instructor from Toronto's Osgoode Hall Law School argued that, even when criminal activity is suspected, a warrant should be required.

"Everyone wants to get at the child abusers," professor James Stribopoulos told the National Post, which is why judges seem to be agreeing with Judge Leitch's interpretation of the law. "It is not just your name, it is your whole Internet surfing history. Up until now, there was privacy. An IP address is not your name, it is a 10-digit number. A lot more people would be apprehensive if they knew their name was being left everywhere they went."

IP addresses aren't necessarily accurate indicators of who's behind certain activities online. As many college campuses in the US have argued to the RIAA, IP addresses are reassigned often and no single student can be tied to a single IP address much of the time. IP address data can even be incorrect (or incorrectly matched up by ISPs), leading to some being unfairly accused of illegal activities.

Judge Leitch's ruling has privacy advocates in Canada worried, as it is binding to lower courts in Ontario. "There is no confidentiality left on the Internet if this ruling stands," Stribopoulos said.

kashifsiddiqui
04-13-2009, 03:03 PM
I am all for arresting people who are involve in malicious activities over the internet but on the other hands Tapping into someone's IP address or Checking the ISP's Log should be ordered through the court. because I think it is more like tapping into someone's phone line or obtaining call records from the Bell Company. Internet has brought new challenges for law makers, where preserving the individual freedom and privacy while maintaining the ORDER and preserving the already existing laws like copyright etc, is a challenge. Big Corporations have money and they can Lobby their ways to getting the law change into their favors, while rights for the people have blood stains all over. Lots of sacrifice and hard work behind and I do not think people of today can be remotely motivated to do even 10% of the people of previous times. Just don't think the freedom and rights will always be there everyday when we wake up, Don't take them for granted.

Ezz1r
04-13-2009, 03:43 PM
This is just one more example of the Judicial system catching up with the technological advances in our modern world. Unfortunately they have pressured the ISp carriers to turn over private information contained within their servers and this is not new but evolving.

The US like Canada have trampled on the peoples expected right to privacy. In todays world you really have none !once the information leaves your four walls and technology is and will be infringing on that aspect in the very near future. There exist technology that allows police to look literally through walls thermal imaging device ( Kyllo v. US ) it is just not an excepted infallible technology as of today but as this technology is developed much like DNA evolved this will become the norm and more readily accepted which is a scary thought.

The added dimension is no warrant is required ! Which translates to society have no expectation of privacy when it comes to their online activities being accessed by law enforcement.

TY FA good reading

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danny11
04-13-2009, 03:54 PM
Looks like nfuision end users are gonna get some letters in the mail soon lmao.http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/norhack/laugh2.gif

Tragik
04-13-2009, 10:53 PM
Looks like nfuision end users are gonna get some letters in the mail soon lmao.http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/norhack/laugh2.gif

nahhh bev and charlie can't afford the postage :)

danny11
06-19-2009, 04:18 AM
ISPs must help police snoop on internet under new bill
Last Updated: Thursday, June 18, 2009 | 4:08 PM ET Comments1134Recommend365
CBC News

Internet service providers would have to make it possible for police and intelligence officers to intercept online communications and get personal information about subscribers, under bills tabled Thursday.

"We must ensure that law enforcement has the necessary tools to catch up to the bad guys and ultimately bring them to justice. Twenty-first century technology calls for 21st-century tools," said Justice Minister Rob Nicholson as he announced the new bills with Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan at a news conference in Ottawa.

The bills are intended to modernize the Criminal Code and help law enforcement officials chase those suspected of using the internet and other new technologies to communicate and commit crimes, as well as maximize the ability to conduct international investigations, Nicholson said.
Targets 'safe havens'

One bill, announced by Van Loan, would require telecommunications and internet service providers to:

* Install and maintain "intercept-capable" equipment on their networks.
* Provide police with "timely access" to personal information about subscribers, including names, address and internet addresses, without the need for a warrant.

Van Loan said the bill won't provide new interception powers to police, but simply update the legal framework designed "in the era of the rotary telephone."

He noted that police can already get the authority to intercept communications, but the network is often incapable of allowing such interception.

"Criminals, child pornographers, organized crime members and terrorists are aware of these interception safe havens. They identify them and gravitate towards them to exploit them and continue their criminal activities undetected, out of the reach of the investigative powers of law enforcement."

Van Loan added that internet service providers are currently not required to provide subscriber information to police and the Canadian Security Intelligence Agency (CSIS), and may be unwilling to provide such data without a police warrant, slowing down the investigation of crimes such as child sexual exploitation or online theft.
ISPs must preserve data

The other bill, introduced by Nicholson, would:

* Allow law enforcement officials to obtain transmission data that is sent or received via telephone or internet if authorized by a production order or warrant
* Require telecommunications companies to keep data related to specific communications or subscribers if that information is needed in an investigation and requested via a preservation order.
* Make it a criminal offence for two or more people to agree to or arrange child sexual exploitation by means of telecommunications.
* Modernize the system for tracking warrants.

Internet surveillance in other countries

United Kingdom

The Regulation of Investigatory Power Act of 2000 includes provisions to require ISPs to install system to aid investigators in tracking electronic communications.

United States

The USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 expanded wiretaps to internet connections. The Bush administration authorized the National Security Agency to conduct warrantless domestic wiretaps in 2001, possibly earlier. The Protect America Act of 2007 and FISA Amendments Act of 2008 extended that authority.

Australia

The Surveillance Devices Bill of 2004 allows Australian Federal Police to obtain warrants for the use of data, optical, listening and tracking surveillance devices. The Intelligence Services Act of 2001 covers the use of surveillance devices by the country's security agencies.

New Zealand

The Search and Surveillance Powers Bill was introduced in September 2008 to update the surveillance powers and procedures New Zealand's law enforcement agencies.

Sweden

Sweden's parliament approved new laws in June 2008 to allow the country's intelligence bureau to track sensitive words in international phone calls, faxes and emails without a court order. The law took effect in January 2009.

Nicholson said the government believes the proposed legislation strikes an "appropriate balance" between law enforcement's investigative powers to protect public safety and the privacy and rights and freedoms of Canadians.

Law enforcement officials at the news conference praised the bill.

Calgary deputy chief of police Murray Stooke said police have been requesting the modernization of laws related to interception of communications for a decade. He added that the government consulted broadly with Canadians and interest groups before introducing the new legislation.

"We do understand that the privacy concerns of Canadians must be respected," he added, "but at the same time, we have a growing gap in terms of our capacity [to investigate crimes]."
Cost to ISPs

Tom Copeland, head of chair of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers (CAIP), which represents dozens of smaller Canadian ISPs, said Thursday he fears the bill requiring internet-tapping capability could put some of his members out of business.

Van Loan said the companies themselves will have to pay for new equipment to meet the requirements, although the government will provide "reasonable compensation" when retrofits to existing hardware are needed.

The companies will have 18 months to make the changes, but there will be a three-year exemption for those with less than 100,000 subscribers.

But even that may not be enough time for some small providers, as they usually buy used, older network equipment that wouldn't be tappable, he said. Buying that new equipment could cost $15,000, and even if the government covers half, the remainder would be a "significant burden," Copeland said.

"I know a lot of providers who couldn't come up with the other half – it's just not the margins we have."

Larger internet service providers such as b*ll also expressed concerns.

Spokeswoman Jacqueline Michelis said in an email that the company "has long been committed to working with law enforcement agencies to find effective and efficient solutions for their legitimate surveillance needs," but policing costs shouldn't be downloaded to one particular industry.

"Other funding mechanisms must be found," Michelis said.

Copeland said that with respect to providing subscriber information without a warrant, he is glad the bill brings some "clarity and consistency" to the issue. Previously, he said, ISPs were unsure whether providing that information would violate the Privacy Act and leave the companies vulnerable to a lawsuit.