Curious

[Kalorian]

I have been reading the various posts and was wondering hypothetically what the cross border legal implications are?

Say for example someone was using an IKS enabled device out of their home in say for example Mexico and pointing at a "US Sat Provider" who's signal originates in the US for example...if the IKS server were to be siezed and IP addresses recorded and legal process followed up onin the US...would said "US Sat Provider" have any legal jurustiction on a potential case where the IKS enabled STB was not situated in the United States?

I'm quite sure others have either asked or had this question in the past.

[keg24]

i think if those goverments are cooperating with other agendas it may just apply but can u imagine the cost and paper work, maybe for a precident

[Chameleon]

I have been reading the various posts and was wondering hypothetically what the cross border legal implications are?

Say for example someone was using an IKS enabled device out of their home in say for example Mexico and pointing at a "US Sat Provider" who's signal originates in the US for example...if the IKS server were to be siezed and IP addresses recorded and legal process followed up onin the US...would said "US Sat Provider" have any legal jurustiction on a potential case where the IKS enabled STB was not situated in the United States?

I'm quite sure others have either asked or had this question in the past.

Most likely, they wouldn't bother with somebody in Mexico. It's probably just more trouble than it's worth. The provider would have to bring forth a civil suit in Mexico. And that is if the Mexican laws forbid the interception and decryption of a foriegn satellite provider. Now if it was a dealer or manufacturer of pirate devices it would probably be a different story.

[Kalorian]

So in this case scenario somebody using an IKS system out of the country of signal origin would be much safer from legal persuit per say than somebody doing the same within the county of signal origin and thus under their jurustiction?

Do you know of any existing cross border agreements in the western hemisphere regarding these types of laws?

[njoytheview]

How does that affect Canadians? Call it duty free T.V. or cross border watching

[papiti]

If a provider, say Charlie, etc., offer their services legally in any country like, Mexico, Canada, etc., they have laws that protect them in each and every one of those countries. Therefore, you would be prosecutable.

I'm not saying it would be easy to catch you and prosecute you, but it would be much easier than in country, say like, Nicaragua, or Peru, which, Dish does not exist, then it would be a lot harder to get you or even try to prosecute you. NOT SAYING IS NOT POSSIBLE, but very, very hard to do.:beer:

[zz11mm33]

I remember one time in Mexico, that a local cable provider noticed the large number of -american- D T V dishes, and "found out" that there were a lot of "dealers" cracking the codes and selling "card programming" services to open the encrypted-private-american- signal.

The sat service owner, obviously, was in the USA and didn't give a sh*t at that time, but the local -mexican- cable provider felt that his business was being damaged by something that clearly smelled "illegal", so he had plenty of rights to raise a lawsuit, during the police investigations guess what they found out?
...A lot of stinky business. Many of the dealers were to jail, some of them just got their equipment raided by "federalys".

My point is:
OK, you feel "safe" because you're in a different country, BUT if your actions end up damaging one the local businesses in your country, sooner or later you -or your provider- will be liable.
All is needed is a smart person to gather evidence to support a lawsuit. If the lawsuit gains momentum, you're in to some deep river of sh*t.

[dirtbag]

I could defiantly see where IKS could be a
risky venture, if they can track your IP,
guess I'll stay where I'm at for now...:cool:

[tvforme]

First of all sat companies are unique to each country. Dish network does not operate in Canada and BEV does not operate in the USA. Your theory is not valid.

[Kalorian]

First of all sat companies are unique to each country. Dish network does not operate in Canada and BEV does not operate in the USA. Your theory is not valid.


Mine? You do realize the although the service is country based....I could be on the moon and if I could point and get a signal I could get programming....it has NOTHING to do with where you are located as long as you can point.

Secondary, DAVE and CHARLIE are currently in talks over sharing resources/services cross border as per CSRs for Both companies ( I spoke to chat based CSR for both services yesterday online) both indicated I need to contact my local carrier and inquire about the others available services for more details.