Dish Jockery served with civil suit

[hcard]

dishjockey just got served ....



http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-flmdce/case_no-3:2009cv00531/case_id-228766/

[dirtbag]

Looks like their on a witch hunt,
put away your spells and potions,
dish is on the warpath....:shit:

[hcard]

here's the pdf documents

[catanddog123]

IF this is true why are there site still up?

[formulaboats2002]

I bought my reciever and had to download a bin file to make it recieve fta signal. so if thier recivers they have work the same way, what can they be guilty of, I look at it like this, head shops sell pot pipes, illegal to have but not illegal to sell. now if they sold the pipe with pot in it, thats a different thing. Am i way off base here?

[casinos]

I bought my reciever and had to download a bin file to make it recieve fta signal. so if thier recivers they have work the same way, what can they be guilty of, I look at it like this, head shops sell pot pipes, illegal to have but not illegal to sell. now if they sold the pipe with pot in it, thats a different thing. Am i way off base here?


Way off Base !!!!
And even if your not how much do you assume it's going to cost them in time and Money to defend this case . Especially the latter in front of a jury ?????
I assume much more then all they made selling this stuff while in business .
Especially when the Feds jump on it too.
Adios nice expensive two story house .

[Chameleon]

LOL, what a witch hunt. Just another example of the big corporate bully trying to strong arm a small business. Dish Jockey sells completely legal devices. Trying to nail them for advertising on "pirate" websites? How funny. I'm pretty sure they are free to advertise wherever the hell they want. They are not responsible for the ultimate use of the devices. That's a real stretch Charles. One that would get thrown out of court by any decent attorney. But of course you'll try to use your money to bend justice.

Charile - try securing your f*cking conditional access system instead of attacking people trying to make a buck off of a completely legal product. If all your problems are due to the horrible FTA problem then why doesn't DirecTV have the same issues? That's right, it's because your CAS sucks balls. Go effing sue Nagra. :fuck:

[black widow]

oh my LOL...... well said Cham <still giggling>

[you_are_here]

where dj is messing up they are giving the info to modify the box simply refering people to the sites to get the files the should be telling peope they don't know maybe you should do a search on the internet

[skyview]

Dish Jockey speaks out

I just spoke with Joe from DJ and he and Tracy are fighting back. He told me that they have retained counsel to counter sue DN and all parties involved. They were at the head of DN lawsuits back in the day when DN tried to sue them for The Loopers that were out at that time and have gotten the same Attorney that beat them then and will clear them of any wrong doing again. Joe and Tracy take great pride in protecting their customers and in no way have they harmed any of them. Joe is starting to make some videos about true FTA and would like the support of the True FTA community with all your support. In court he will show what True FTA is all about. FTA is a huge market and is a Legitimate business. I will keep you updated on how We can support a dealer that is a stand up guy and a stand up business man. Thanks for your time and hope all the True FTAers will stand up and fight this with them.

Thanks, We will keep everyone updated. If we as consumers allow big businesses to step on legitimate businesses than we are all in for a rough road. Just because the gun store down the street sales a gun to a person legally and then that person goes out and robs or kills someone with that gun the store owner is not accountable for the actions of that person. Same goes for the retailer that is selling boxes for true fta. What the end user does is not a reflection on the store owner. I quote. " They are trying to break us because we won last time and They promised to get us again and they are trying but we won't fold". I love that spirit. Fight for what you earn.

[Chameleon]

where dj is messing up they are giving the info to modify the box simply refering people to the sites to get the files the should be telling peope they don't know maybe you should do a search on the internet

So it's kinda like this scenerio:

Clerk works at the local quickie mart. A customer comes in and buys rolling papers and then leaves the store.

He comes back a few minutes later and says: "Hey dude, can you give me some weed"?

Clerk says: "Look man, I don't sell weed, but there are a bunch of thugs down on 3rd and Main that deal. Leave me alone and go ask them".


Now, did the clerk commit a crime?
Did the store sell illegal drugs by proxy or something?
Did the clerk enable the customer to use illegal drugs?
Does the store get in trouble because they advertised ZigZags on 3rd and Main?
Does any of this making any 'effing sense?


A lawsuit against a legitimate dealer with no ties to anything related to piracy other than telling customers asking about pirate firmware to go to some sites that deal with that stuff is rediculous. So now we are to the point where telling someone where to get an "illegal" file on the internet is against the law. Please, nobody ask me where to download some MP3s or anything...:rolleyes:

[Chameleon]

Dish Jockey speaks out

I just spoke with Joe from DJ and he and Tracy are fighting back. He told me that they have retained counsel to counter sue DN and all parties involved. They were at the head of DN lawsuits back in the day when DN tried to sue them for The Loopers that were out at that time and have gotten the same Attorney that beat them then and will clear them of any wrong doing again. Joe and Tracy take great pride in protecting their customers and in no way have they harmed any of them. Joe is starting to make some videos about true FTA and would like the support of the True FTA community with all your support. In court he will show what True FTA is all about. FTA is a huge market and is a Legitimate business. I will keep you updated on how We can support a dealer that is a stand up guy and a stand up business man. Thanks for your time and hope all the True FTAers will stand up and fight this with them.

Thanks, We will keep everyone updated. If we as consumers allow big businesses to step on legitimate businesses than we are all in for a rough road. Just because the gun store down the street sales a gun to a person legally and then that person goes out and robs or kills someone with that gun the store owner is not accountable for the actions of that person. Same goes for the retailer that is selling boxes for true fta. What the end user does is not a reflection on the store owner. I quote. " They are trying to break us because we won last time and They promised to get us again and they are trying but we won't fold". I love that spirit. Fight for what you earn.

Great to hear! I don't usually speak out when a dealer of pirate equipment gets popped. They know what they are getting into. But Dish Jockey is as legit and legal as they get.

As far as I'm concerned they can advertise here for free until they get this thrown out of court.

[danny11]

Great to hear! I don't usually speak out when a dealer of pirate equipment gets popped. They know what they are getting into. But Dish Jockey is as legit and legal as they get.

As far as I'm concerned they can advertise here for free until they get this thrown out of court.

So and if it don't get thrown out of court.Also they found iks boxes under a blanket
in the closet right beside the tv that was known they were hooked up. did you read all the pdf files.

[Chameleon]

So and if it don't get thrown out of court.Also they found iks boxes under a blanket
in the closet right beside the tv that was known they were hooked up. did you read all the pdf files.

So if it doesn't get thrown out of court another multi-million dollar company will have bought some sort of perceived justice and strong-armed a small business. It wouldn't be the first time.

And finding receivers in a closet under blankets proves what? Me thinks many of us have receivers stashed in the closet these days. Besides, the suit isn't about Dish Jockey possibly being a user of FTA receivers - this suit is alleging that they sold pirate devices.

It's about whether or not FTA receivers with an ethernet port are legal to sell. Or a serial to ethernet adapter is legal to sell. Even greater than that, it's about whether or not the people buying and modifying a legal device to steal tv are responsible for their actions, or whether the dealer selling a legal device is responsible for what somebody does after they buy it and take it home.

[Fallen Angel]

That would fall under free speech...As long as they don't load the files, or as long as they don't have a website to get the files, then what they're doing is perfectly legal...I can tell you how to make an explosive device...Not Illegal...But if you use it, then it's Illegal...(ATF)...Information is free and legal...And it falls under Free Speech...I can say pretty much anything I want and it falls under that...It's what's done with the info that may or may not be legal...
I can also tell you where to buy bullets...Perfectly legal...And it's legal to sell them...But you kill someone with them, Illegal....Info is nothing more and nothing less...You learned how to circumvent the receiver you have by reading INFO you found or by someone telling you how to do it...Legal...What your doing with the info...Illegal...Are you getting it yet?...


FA


where dj is messing up they are giving the info to modify the box simply refering people to the sites to get the files the should be telling peope they don't know maybe you should do a search on the internet

[dirtbag]

Cham's right, their like Nelson from the simpsons
trying to go around and pull everybody's pants
down, take their lunch money, or give em'
wedgies....:censored:

[SunPrincess]

Geez dear, a little hostile, but right now I appear to be turned on. ;)

LOL, what a witch hunt. Just another example of the big corporate bully trying to strong arm a small business. Dish Jockey sells completely legal devices. Trying to nail them for advertising on "pirate" websites? How funny. I'm pretty sure they are free to advertise wherever the hell they want. They are not responsible for the ultimate use of the devices. That's a real stretch Charles. One that would get thrown out of court by any decent attorney. But of course you'll try to use your money to bend justice.

Charile - try securing your f*cking conditional access system instead of attacking people trying to make a buck off of a completely legal product. If all your problems are due to the horrible FTA problem then why doesn't DirecTV have the same issues? That's right, it's because your CAS sucks balls. Go effing sue Nagra. :fuck:

[alpher]

Dish Jockey speaks out

I just spoke with Joe from DJ and he and Tracy are fighting back. He told me that they have retained counsel to counter sue DN and all parties involved. They were at the head of DN lawsuits back in the day when DN tried to sue them for The Loopers that were out at that time and have gotten the same Attorney that beat them then and will clear them of any wrong doing again. Joe and Tracy take great pride in protecting their customers and in no way have they harmed any of them. Joe is starting to make some videos about true FTA and would like the support of the True FTA community with all your support. In court he will show what True FTA is all about. FTA is a huge market and is a Legitimate business. I will keep you updated on how We can support a dealer that is a stand up guy and a stand up business man. Thanks for your time and hope all the True FTAers will stand up and fight this with them.

Thanks, We will keep everyone updated. If we as consumers allow big businesses to step on legitimate businesses than we are all in for a rough road. Just because the gun store down the street sales a gun to a person legally and then that person goes out and robs or kills someone with that gun the store owner is not accountable for the actions of that person. Same goes for the retailer that is selling boxes for true fta. What the end user does is not a reflection on the store owner. I quote. " They are trying to break us because we won last time and They promised to get us again and they are trying but we won't fold". I love that spirit. Fight for what you earn.

Guy is an idiot, there no such thing a "true" FTA, it's either FTA or it is NOT !
Hope that he wont be using this terminology in court.

[wordet]

It is all Free To Air!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because we pay for it does not make it NOT FREE TO AIR!!!!!!!!
Semper Fi

[black widow]

Nooooo Free To Air are the true fta channels you do not load 3rd party software to a legal fta receiver to watch..... By loading that "bin" or firmware you are now watching a paid subscription service for free which is not considered "Free To Air" it's considered stealing.... you both better go read some more as you don't fully grasp the concept yet.

[snakefistgungfu]

Damn here is the moral of this story. If you sale FTA dont and I SAY DONT!!!!! help people with there Bin files. KEEP YOUR HANDS CLEAN PEOPLE......... No one will hate you for that. This case is on the verge of intrapment but really in cival cases it dose not matter.

[snakefistgungfu]

So it's kinda like this scenerio:

Clerk works at the local quickie mart. A customer comes in and buys rolling papers and then leaves the store.

He comes back a few minutes later and says: "Hey dude, can you give me some weed"?

Clerk says: "Look man, I don't sell weed, but there are a bunch of thugs down on 3rd and Main that deal. Leave me alone and go ask them".


Now, did the clerk commit a crime?
Did the store sell illegal drugs by proxy or something?
Did the clerk enable the customer to use illegal drugs?
Does the store get in trouble because they advertised ZigZags on 3rd and Main?
Does any of this making any 'effing sense?


A lawsuit against a legitimate dealer with no ties to anything related to piracy other than telling customers asking about pirate firmware to go to some sites that deal with that stuff is rediculous. So now we are to the point where telling someone where to get an "illegal" file on the internet is against the law. Please, nobody ask me where to download some MP3s or anything...:rolleyes:




You have a good point but the bottom line is YES. Its like being the get away driver. No you didnt do the crime but you helped. FTA stores are gonna have to stop helping people or even pointing them in the direction because of entrapment. Really its not fair but the law is not fair and people need to see that. Hell even if they dont have a case they will tie it up in court and shut down there sight because they can.....

[rebel1699]

It is all Free To Air!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because we pay for it does not make it NOT FREE TO AIR!!!!!!!!
Semper Fi

I would normally make fun of you for that statement considering it is oxy-moronish. But if netzero can defend the free world for 19.99 a month..................

[Ezz1r]

The bottom line for me is greed . They tried to have their cake and eat it to. They should have send them to me for the follow through...........lol

In all seriousness I agree with Chameleons statement about Charlie fix the problem with your system and stop picking on the little guy.

[wordet]

D*r*ct tried and failed. So will DN.
Semper Fi FTA

[snakefistgungfu]

The bottom line for me is greed . They tried to have their cake and eat it to. They should have send them to me for the follow through...........lol

In all seriousness I agree with Chameleons statement about Charlie fix the problem with your system and stop picking on the little guy.



The little guy is easier to pick on. Box makers have millons to throw right back at chuck but the mom and pop shops dont. Still if you sale FTA and want to say in business you got to keep your self clean cause they cant do shit then and if they do you sue there ass.

[wordet]

How can DN sue anybody for selling receivers that are made to receive Canadian satellites and Direct TV Sats and etc. in the US?
They are also breaking the same laws for transmitting copyrighted material over FTA sats to Canada, Mexico and the world. How can they sue when they do not own the copyright under the copyright laws?
Semper Fi FTA

[danny11]

D*r*ct tried and failed. So will DN.
Semper Fi FTA

no the did not fail because you would be watching it right now.
dtv finds out you are pirating the signal they will go after you
why dont you think there is no public hack . NO ONE WILL RELEASE IT AS THERE IS BIG FEAR IN DTV.
trust me they who know , know. if you had iks on dtv believe me they will come right to your door.
yourself are in complete denial

many here will back me up on this one .

[danny11]

How can DN sue anybody for selling receivers that are made to receive Canadian satellites and Direct TV Sats and etc. in the US?
They are also breaking the same laws for transmitting copyrighted material over FTA sats to Canada, Mexico and the world. How can they sue when they do not own the copyright under the copyright laws?
Semper Fi FTA

they are not made for Canadian satellites and Direct TV there made for free fta thats it . you are responsible for modifying
the fta to steal encrypted signals lol . yourself are in complete denial

[you_are_here]

You have a good point but the bottom line is YES. Its like being the get away driver. No you didnt do the crime but you helped. FTA stores are gonna have to stop helping people or even pointing them in the direction because of entrapment. Really its not fair but the law is not fair and people need to see that. Hell even if they dont have a case they will tie it up in court and shut down there sight because they can.....

this is the point I was trying to make I would hate for a good company to go down but these companies need to watch there self because the have the undercovers trying to get them

[snakefistgungfu]

no the did not fail because you would be watching it right now.
dtv finds out you are pirating the signal they will go after you
why dont you think there is no public hack . NO ONE WILL RELEASE IT AS THERE IS BIG FEAR IN DTV.
trust me they who know , know. if you had iks on dtv believe me they will come right to your door.


many here will back me up on this one .



Slinger said they were gonna have DTV with IKS but we have not seen anything and boy will the gates of hell open if they do.....

[molhunter]

I was sure surprise when I read this also. I just talked to Tracy last week and put in a big order for some of the Free To Air Receivers myself. I ordered them for a friend of mine who does nothing but Free To Air and the funny thing about all this is, when she shipped them to me, they did not come from their warehouse due to the Feds confiscating all of their machines and parts, That along with their computers. Where ever she shipped them to me from, was not from their warehouse! I laugh as I have been dealing with these folkd for the past 2 years now with no problems. This time the receivers that normally would take anywhere from 3-5 days to get here via UPS, took almost a week and a half. I think they came from Korea, LOL They are super people, so count me in for any help!

[wordet]

I pay for all the TV I get from DN
Semper Fi FTA